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Sea Breeze
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Trinity Statements in the Dead Sea Scrolls
by Sea Breeze indr. ken johnson has identified several statements in the dead sea scrolls that predict that god would visit the earth as a man... as the messiah.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljrfvytjhve&ab_channel=kenjohnson%28biblefacts%29 .
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Trinity Statements in the Dead Sea Scrolls
by Sea Breeze indr. ken johnson has identified several statements in the dead sea scrolls that predict that god would visit the earth as a man... as the messiah.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljrfvytjhve&ab_channel=kenjohnson%28biblefacts%29 .
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Sea Breeze
So you beleive that God created a lesseer God ? That's not what scripture says:
before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. - Is. 43: 11
Just the same... An adjective wasn't born. A noun was born - God.
So, a man named God was born just like prophecy says. Is. 7: 17 gives more details:
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel (Immanuel means God with Us)
These prophetic scriptures are only talking about one God, not two. We know this because he is the Creator who made ALL things.
Col. 1: 16 - For by Him [Jesus] all things were created that are in heaven and that are in earth
But this thread isn't about the Trinity per se. It is about ancient scrolls from the founding fathers of the nation of Israel who also predicted :
God manifest in the flesh - 1 Tim. 3:16.Most Christians are under the impression that the tri-partite nature of God was only revealed in the NT. Not only is the word "God" in Hebrew plural (Elohim), but the ancient partriarchs occasionally prophesied about God one day appearing as a man.
As God, Jesus predicted that he would die and while dead, he would resurrect himself from the dead. This is something only God can do. See John 2: 19 & John 10: 18 -
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Trinity Statements in the Dead Sea Scrolls
by Sea Breeze indr. ken johnson has identified several statements in the dead sea scrolls that predict that god would visit the earth as a man... as the messiah.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljrfvytjhve&ab_channel=kenjohnson%28biblefacts%29 .
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Sea Breeze
Shoot the messenger Fisherman?
700 years before Christ, Isaiah wrote:
For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty GodIf we acknowledge that scripture says that one day a man named God would be born, why should we be surprised if other ancient scrolls from the Patriarchs of Israel said the same thing on occasion?
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Trinity Statements in the Dead Sea Scrolls
by Sea Breeze indr. ken johnson has identified several statements in the dead sea scrolls that predict that god would visit the earth as a man... as the messiah.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljrfvytjhve&ab_channel=kenjohnson%28biblefacts%29 .
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Sea Breeze
Dr. Ken Johnson has identified several statements in the Dead Sea Scrolls that predict that God would visit the earth as a man... as the Messiah.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljRfvyTjHvE&ab_channel=KenJohnson%28BibleFacts%29
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My Prediction Regarding New Space Telescope That Will See Back to 100 Million Years From the Big Bang
by Sea Breeze ina new space telescope launched a few days age that will supposedly be able to see to within 100 million years of the big bang.
wow... only 100 million years from the big bang.
that is pretty early given the 12 billion year age of the universe assigned by scholars who adhere to naturalism.
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Sea Breeze
You are gaslighting Anonymous.
The BB model does not predict fully formed stars and galaxies at only a couple hundred million years after the supposed BB. It does not predict third generation stars at the dawn of the universe.Yet, the many reputable university links and science journals links I provided show that to the astonishment of astronomers, this is what they found.
You are being very dishonest.So, in your opinion... how did all these fully formed third generation stars and fully formed galaxies that look just like our own get there in only 180 to 200 million years after the BB?
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Who are the 144K Male Jewish Virgins in Revelation 7?
by Sea Breeze inno mystery here.
they are all male jewish virgins, just like scripture says.
so, why all the muck and fuss?
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@Vidqun
So, I guess these detailed scriptures regarding Israel are symbolic in your view?
“Thus says the LORD of hosts: ‘In those days ten men from every language of the nations shall grasp the sleeve of a Jewish man, saying, “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.” - Zech. 8:23
“And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.” Zech. 14: 16
Wow. There are more scriptures like this as well.
So, when you read the word "Israel" in Scripture" you think - Church. Try reading Romans 9-11 and every time it says “Israel”, replace it with the word “Church”. You will quickly see that it makes no sense at all.
Israel really means Israel in both the Old and the New Testaments. While the New Testament often describes Israel and the Church in similar terms – both are the Bride of God, children of God, the chosen people, and so on – never does the New Testament call the Church “Israel”.
In the past, people have clung to Galatians 6:16 as an example of how Israel can mean the church, but let’s examine that verse…
Galatians 6:16 says: “Peace and mercy be upon all who walk by this rule, upon the Israel of God,” (RSV) or “Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule—to the Israel of God.” (NIV).
But if we look at what the text actually says in the original, these translations have missed a key Greek word:
καὶ ὅσοι τῷ κανόνι τούτῳ στοιχήσουσιν, εἰρήνη ἐπ᾽ αὐτοὺς καὶ ἔλεος, καὶ ἐπὶ τὸν Ἰσραὴλ τοῦ θεοῦ.
Literally translated: And as many as (whoever) to the rule this shall be elementing (observing the fundamentals), peace on them and mercy, and (also) on the Israel of the God.
Bible scholar, Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum, writes that people who would claim that Israel means the church “must ignore the primary meaning of kai which separates the two groups in the verse in order to make them both the same group”, and Dr. S. Lewis Johnson, who taught Greek and New Testament Exegesis at Dallas Theological Seminary, believes that, “the least likely view among several alternatives is the view that the ‘Israel of God’ is the church.”
The word “Israel” occurs 70 times in the New Testament and all but two of these instances are unequivocally referring to the nation of Israel, and not to the Church. I have covered one of those instances above - Gal. 6: 16
Let's look at the other one now:
Romans 9:6 - “Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel.”
The context of this statement is found in verses 1-8. Paul is expressing his love for Israel even in her unbelieving condition. He recounts her great benefits in having the covenants and the law and the fathers and chiefly as being “of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came.”
Since the question would arise how could God’s promises to Israel be reconciled with her present rebellion, Paul answers this. He says, “Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel.” He is simply saying that a Jew is not saved because he is born into Israel and is of the physical seed of Abraham. Just because someone is born into Israel or converts to Judaism doesn’t mean he automatically inherits the promises of God. The promises of God are not through the law of Moses.
Paul proves this by pointing out that not all of Abraham’s children inherited his promises (Ro. 9:6-8). This is what Paul had already stated in Romans 2:28-29.
John the Baptist and Christ taught the same thing. See Luke 3:8-9; John 8:39-44.
In this passage, Paul uses the term “Israel” in two ways. First, he uses it to refer to all Jews and to all the nation Israel (Ro. 9:4). Then he uses it to refer to the true Israel which is the saved Israel (Ro. 9:6).
Again, Romans 9:6 does not say that a Jew is not a Jew or that an Israelite is not an Israelite. It is not saying that the true Israel consists of New Testament Christians. Paul says nothing here about the church replacing Israel. He is simply explaining what a true Israelite or Jew is before God. He is saying that salvation is not by being a physical descendant of Abraham.
The “explosion in knowledge” and great “increase in people traveling to and fro” that Daniel the prophet wrote of (Daniel 12:4) now makes perfect sense with the development of the internet and air travel.
Likewise, for centuries, it did not dawn on some Bible scholars that the term Israel could possibly truly refer to the actual nation of Israel since they ceased to exist. . So, they imposed their understanding on scripture using the symbolic magic wand. But, a real (not symbolic) miracle happened when the nation reimerged in 1948, in fulfillment of bible prophecy.
The last chapter in the Bible consistently and repeatedly teaches that God is not finished with the nation Israel and that the church has not replaced Israel.
Briefly, Replacement Theology takes a few verses out of context and uses them to overthrow the teaching of the entire Bible. This, of course, is the standard operation procedure of false teaching and one we are all too familiar with since we were previously subjected to the symbolic magic wand weilded by the Watchtower.
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My Prediction Regarding New Space Telescope That Will See Back to 100 Million Years From the Big Bang
by Sea Breeze ina new space telescope launched a few days age that will supposedly be able to see to within 100 million years of the big bang.
wow... only 100 million years from the big bang.
that is pretty early given the 12 billion year age of the universe assigned by scholars who adhere to naturalism.
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Sea Breeze
Anony Mous,
I realize how personally difficult this must be for you. But, secular predictions for the JWST shows just how devastating recent data is to secualr cosmology:
The standard secularist model predicts:
1. Fewer galaxies at great distances. None beyond redshift 14 (which supposedly corresponds to 300 million years after the Big Bang)
2. Farthest/Earliest galaxies would be low mass, clumpy and irregular
3. Farthest/Earliest galaxies would have only Population III (first generation stars) having no heavy metals/elements, and only containing hydrogen, helium and possibly a tiny amount of Lithium
All three predictions by secularists have failed.
1. Galaxies have been observed as high as redshift 20 (supposedly 180 million years from the BB
2. Earliest galaxies are as large as nearby galaxies. They display fully formed disc symetry, spirals, etc.
3. Astronomers have discovered metal-rich galaxies in the early universe although the BB model claims this is impossible. Or, as they claim it takes three generations of stars to get heavy metals (slow star formation, burn-out after hundreds of millions/billions of years (supernova), then repeat, then repeat again)
The standard cosomological model is in crisis right now.
The Creation model in Genesis is riding high.
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Who are the 144K Male Jewish Virgins in Revelation 7?
by Sea Breeze inno mystery here.
they are all male jewish virgins, just like scripture says.
so, why all the muck and fuss?
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Sea Breeze
@Vidqun:
Given the disagreements over the millennium in church history, it is wise to hold our millennial views with humility. I personally don't want to divide believers. But, the topic....especially given our WT background and training is important to unraveling the WT mess we all found ourselves in at one time. So, I proceeed with these views in mind.
Historical Note: Prior to Augustine, amillennialism was associated with the allegorizing and spiritualizing school of theology in Alexandria, Egypt, which not only opposed premillennialism but subverted a literal exegesis of Scripture. In Antioch, where believers were first called Christians, there was a Christian school that promoted a literal reading of scripture and premillenialism (literal 1000 yr. reign). Both schools produced Christian leaders and copies of scripture. Looking at what they produced in terms of both leaders and manuscripts is very eye-opening.
As for the grafting in, yes, individual Israelites will be grafted in after the full number of the nations had come in.
But, that is not what the text says does it? It says "all Israel will be saved" in Romans 11
BTW: You never answered my questionns here:
When has this ever happened:
“Thus says the LORD of hosts: ‘In those days ten men from every language of the nations shall grasp the sleeve of a Jewish man, saying, “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.” - Zech. 8:23
Or, when has this ever happened?
“And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.” Zech. 14: 16
Or this?
The nations will know that I, the LORD, sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary is in their midst forevermore (Ezek 37.28)Are all these scriptures above symbolic in your view?
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My Prediction Regarding New Space Telescope That Will See Back to 100 Million Years From the Big Bang
by Sea Breeze ina new space telescope launched a few days age that will supposedly be able to see to within 100 million years of the big bang.
wow... only 100 million years from the big bang.
that is pretty early given the 12 billion year age of the universe assigned by scholars who adhere to naturalism.
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Sea Breeze
It's a great time to be a Creationist!
Look at this quote from this recent article:"The James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) appears to be finding multiple galaxies that grew too massive too soon after the Big Bang, if the standard model of cosmology is to be believed."
ROTFL
James Webb Space Telescope images challenge theories of how universe evolved
- Date:
- April 13, 2023
- Source:
- University of Texas at Austin
- Summary:
- Astronomers find that six of the earliest and most massive galaxy candidates observed by the James Webb Space Telescope so far appear to have converted nearly 100% of their available gas into stars, a finding at odds with the reigning model of cosmology.
- But it is not at odds with the eyewitness testimony presented in Genesis!
- And this from Scientific American:
Astronomers Grapple with JWST’s Discovery of Early Galaxies
- QUOTE: "candidate galaxies in the early universe are popping up in numbers that defy predictions, with dozens found so far. Explaining this excess may require substantial revisions to prevailing cosmological models, changes that could involve the first galaxies forming sooner... than previously thought."
All exactly as I predicted on page one of this thread.
- It's almost like all these "first" galaxies appeared at virtually the same time as all the rest of them....including our own, fully formed. WOW. Who woulda thunk?
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Who are the 144K Male Jewish Virgins in Revelation 7?
by Sea Breeze inno mystery here.
they are all male jewish virgins, just like scripture says.
so, why all the muck and fuss?
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@ Duran
I believe there are sound reasons that holy ones are God’s holy people.... aka "saints"
First, when Paul uses the Greek word for holy ones (hagios) to refer to beings, he always refers to holy people. Of Paul’s 76 uses of this word, 40 uses refer to people (including 1 Thessalonians 3:13), typically translated saints.2
Second, when writing to the Thessalonians and referring to angels who accompany Christ for judgment, Paul unambiguously refers to them as angels (Greek, angelos) in 2 Thessalonians 1:7. He even distinguishes holy ones from angels by referring to holy ones as human believers in this same passage (2 Thessalonians 1:10, “all who have believed”; cf. 1:7–10).
Third, the identity of holy ones as people is more fitting than angels in the context of 1 Thessalonians 3:11–13. Paul prays for his readers to grow spiritually so that they will be perfected in holiness with all of the holy ones at their judgment, and this prayer prepares his readers for admonitions on holiness in the next two chapters (cf. 1 Thessalonians 4:3, 4, 7, 8; 5:23, 26). The idea is something like, “I pray that you grow so that God will perfect you in holiness with all of the holy ones in the future, a holiness that you should be living out right now.”
Fourth, if one holds that the rapture of the saints takes place before the final descent of Jesus (with the day of the Lord in between; cf. 1 Thessalonians 1:9–10; 5:2–4, 9), then this verse fittingly speaks of the glorification and positive judgment of God’s holy people before the Father and Son (cf. Rom 14:10; 2 Cor 5:10), a judgment that takes place in heaven after the rapture. The term coming (Greek, parousia) refers to a complex event that includes the rapture of the saints, the day of the Lord, and the final descent of Jesus, in that order (cf. 1 Thessalonians 4:14–17; 5:2–4; 2 Thessalonians 2:8).
This article presents a fair treatment of both sides by David Huffstutler.